Ik heb zojuist het verhaal gelezen van de 6 militairen die in 2001 opgegraven werden bij Hill 88 (in de Ardennen).
Waarschijnlijk zal niet iedereen weten waarover ik het heb:
hier is een link: http://www.basher82.nl/Data/MIA/belgian99id.htm
Heeft iemand daar meer informatie over???
Misschien een rare vraag: zijn er nog mensen die zo'n dingen doen??
Verloren graven van Hill 88
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Belgians' persistence leads to discovery
of graves of U.S. soldiers killed in WWII
Story and photos by Gregory Piatt, Stars and Stripes
A cross marks the spot along the Siegfried Line in the Monschau Forest in Germany where the remains of three U.S. soldiers, who were killed during the first days of Battle of the Bulge, were buried. A Belgian team found the shallow grave after deciding to look across the road from where records and veterans said the three were buried.
HASSELPAT TRAIL, Germany — It was here in the Monschau Forest, on the north shoulder of the Battle of Bulge, that soldiers from Company C of the 395th Infantry Regiment fought, died and were buried during some of the fiercest fighting of World War II.
Since the opening days of the Battle of Bulge in December 1944, forest mulch and 56-year-old battlefield debris have covered these unmarked GI graves.
"Nobody knows how many missing soldiers on both sides are still buried in this forest," said David Roath, director of the U.S. Army Memorial Affairs Activity Europe in Landstuhl, Germany.
But the dwindling number of Bulge veterans haven’t forgotten their missing comrades from the 99th Infantry Division. A team of four Belgian men hasn’t forgotten them, either.
Since the mid-1980s, the Belgians have volunteered their time to scour this battlefield still speckled with the foxholes and pillboxes. Armed with metal detectors, shovels and documents, they search for the remains of 33 99th ID soldiers, who are still listed as missing in action. The Belgians are members of the 99th Infantry Division Association and work through the group’s MIA project.
"You won’t find better guys," said Vernon Swanson, author of "Up Front with Charlie Company, a Combat History of Company C 395th Infantry Regiment."
"They are out there practically every weekend, and they have jobs and families. But they do it because they want to remember the GIs who liberated their country."
The Diggers, as they are known by the 99th Infantry Division Association, scour the Battle of the Bulge battlefield in Belgium, Germany and Luxembourg looking for remains of World War II soldiers missing in action. They are, from left to right, Jean-Philippe Spedem, Marc Habique, Jean-Louis Seel and Jean-Luc Menestrey.
The Diggers, as the 99th Infantry Division Association calls the Belgians, have had some success finding a couple of missing soldiers since 1988. But recently they made a big discovery, finding the remains of three Company C soldiers, who died on Dec. 15 and 16, 1944, and whose bodies subsequently disappeared.
"It was like looking for a needle in a haystack," said Digger Jean-Louis Seel of the search for the three.
Off and on for nearly a decade, the Diggers looked for the three GIs near an aid station where medics checked soldiers’ feet for frostbite and trench foot during the battle. But after repeated attempts, they couldn’t find the remains near the pile of discarded boots that are still strewn on the Monschau Forest floor.
Then, on April 11, Seel went to search again. This time he looked across the one-lane trail from the aid station. There he found a grenade damaged by shrapnel and an ammo belt, but left as night fell in the forest.
"I didn’t think I was on the grave site," Seel said about the find that day. "I was sure they removed the equipment from dead soldiers."
Seel returned with the full team on April 17. Within 10 minutes, Seel unearthed a belt buckle. As he reached for the buckle, Seel saw bones and began to shout.
"Stop, stop," Seel called out. "I have one of them!"
"Are you sure, are you sure it’s not a rock?" asked Marc Habique, another Digger.
"I’m sure," Seel replied.
The team checked the remains’ dog tag and confirmed it was one of three soldiers they had been looking for. German and Army officials were called in and the remains with dog tags of all three missing Company C soldiers were found.
A soldier salutes as the casket of one of three soldiers killed during the Battle of the Bulge is loaded into a van. The three soldiers' remains were found recently by a Belgian team working for the 99th Infantry Division Association.
However, V Corps, the Diggers or members of the 99th ID Association won’t make the names public until the Army positively identifies the bones that are now at the Memorial Affairs Activity in Landstuhl. But stories on the association’s Web site identify two of three privates who were missing.
"We would like to officially identify the remains by Memorial Day," Swanson said in a phone interview last week from Deerfield, Ill. "We hope the Army doesn’t take as long to identify them as they did when the remains of a soldier was found in the Huertgen Forest last year. It took them a year to make an official identification."
The night Pfc. Saul Kokotivich died, Company C was bogged down in eight inches of snow on the slope of what was later called Hill 88 because the Germans fired so many 88 mm artillery shells at the U.S. troops there. The Americans fought from foxholes on this battlefield of shattered tree trunks, shell craters and concrete pillboxes.
The night before the Bulge’s first assault, Kokotivich was preparing for another night in a frozen foxhole. About 11:30 p.m. on Dec. 15, a barrage of 30 or 40 artillery rounds rained down on the company, Swanson said. Shells exploded around their positions and one soldier yelled, "Something’s wrong with Koke," recalled Swanson, explaining how his comrades died but not talking about the newly found remains.
"Koke was dying," said Swanson, even though he didn’t have any injuries. Another soldier said Kokotivich, who was married that October, died from a heart attack, Swanson said. His corpse was carried to the aid station the next morning.
On Dec. 16, Swanson’s foxhole mate, Pfc. Jack Beckwith, returned from the aid station where medics were checking for trench foot or frostbite when an 88 mm shell fell between them.
"I got the concussion and it knocked me down," Swanson said about the shell that killed his buddy from North Dakota. "Jack got the shell fragments."
The third private was attached to the regiment as a forward observer and also died from artillery that day. On the morning of Dec. 17, Company C was ordered to withdraw and the frozen corpses of Kokotivich, Beckwith and the unknown private were hurriedly buried. Their graves were marked with their helmets atop sticks.
After the war, some marked graves were found and the GIs reburied. However, these three remained MIA and now the families and veterans are hoping to bring them home after 56 years.
"I’ve been looking for Jack’s remains since 1946, and the two others for many years," Swanson said. "I will express sadness and relief once they attach the names to the remains because this has been an excruciating search — a long marathon hopefully coming to end."
of graves of U.S. soldiers killed in WWII
Story and photos by Gregory Piatt, Stars and Stripes
A cross marks the spot along the Siegfried Line in the Monschau Forest in Germany where the remains of three U.S. soldiers, who were killed during the first days of Battle of the Bulge, were buried. A Belgian team found the shallow grave after deciding to look across the road from where records and veterans said the three were buried.
HASSELPAT TRAIL, Germany — It was here in the Monschau Forest, on the north shoulder of the Battle of Bulge, that soldiers from Company C of the 395th Infantry Regiment fought, died and were buried during some of the fiercest fighting of World War II.
Since the opening days of the Battle of Bulge in December 1944, forest mulch and 56-year-old battlefield debris have covered these unmarked GI graves.
"Nobody knows how many missing soldiers on both sides are still buried in this forest," said David Roath, director of the U.S. Army Memorial Affairs Activity Europe in Landstuhl, Germany.
But the dwindling number of Bulge veterans haven’t forgotten their missing comrades from the 99th Infantry Division. A team of four Belgian men hasn’t forgotten them, either.
Since the mid-1980s, the Belgians have volunteered their time to scour this battlefield still speckled with the foxholes and pillboxes. Armed with metal detectors, shovels and documents, they search for the remains of 33 99th ID soldiers, who are still listed as missing in action. The Belgians are members of the 99th Infantry Division Association and work through the group’s MIA project.
"You won’t find better guys," said Vernon Swanson, author of "Up Front with Charlie Company, a Combat History of Company C 395th Infantry Regiment."
"They are out there practically every weekend, and they have jobs and families. But they do it because they want to remember the GIs who liberated their country."
The Diggers, as they are known by the 99th Infantry Division Association, scour the Battle of the Bulge battlefield in Belgium, Germany and Luxembourg looking for remains of World War II soldiers missing in action. They are, from left to right, Jean-Philippe Spedem, Marc Habique, Jean-Louis Seel and Jean-Luc Menestrey.
The Diggers, as the 99th Infantry Division Association calls the Belgians, have had some success finding a couple of missing soldiers since 1988. But recently they made a big discovery, finding the remains of three Company C soldiers, who died on Dec. 15 and 16, 1944, and whose bodies subsequently disappeared.
"It was like looking for a needle in a haystack," said Digger Jean-Louis Seel of the search for the three.
Off and on for nearly a decade, the Diggers looked for the three GIs near an aid station where medics checked soldiers’ feet for frostbite and trench foot during the battle. But after repeated attempts, they couldn’t find the remains near the pile of discarded boots that are still strewn on the Monschau Forest floor.
Then, on April 11, Seel went to search again. This time he looked across the one-lane trail from the aid station. There he found a grenade damaged by shrapnel and an ammo belt, but left as night fell in the forest.
"I didn’t think I was on the grave site," Seel said about the find that day. "I was sure they removed the equipment from dead soldiers."
Seel returned with the full team on April 17. Within 10 minutes, Seel unearthed a belt buckle. As he reached for the buckle, Seel saw bones and began to shout.
"Stop, stop," Seel called out. "I have one of them!"
"Are you sure, are you sure it’s not a rock?" asked Marc Habique, another Digger.
"I’m sure," Seel replied.
The team checked the remains’ dog tag and confirmed it was one of three soldiers they had been looking for. German and Army officials were called in and the remains with dog tags of all three missing Company C soldiers were found.
A soldier salutes as the casket of one of three soldiers killed during the Battle of the Bulge is loaded into a van. The three soldiers' remains were found recently by a Belgian team working for the 99th Infantry Division Association.
However, V Corps, the Diggers or members of the 99th ID Association won’t make the names public until the Army positively identifies the bones that are now at the Memorial Affairs Activity in Landstuhl. But stories on the association’s Web site identify two of three privates who were missing.
"We would like to officially identify the remains by Memorial Day," Swanson said in a phone interview last week from Deerfield, Ill. "We hope the Army doesn’t take as long to identify them as they did when the remains of a soldier was found in the Huertgen Forest last year. It took them a year to make an official identification."
The night Pfc. Saul Kokotivich died, Company C was bogged down in eight inches of snow on the slope of what was later called Hill 88 because the Germans fired so many 88 mm artillery shells at the U.S. troops there. The Americans fought from foxholes on this battlefield of shattered tree trunks, shell craters and concrete pillboxes.
The night before the Bulge’s first assault, Kokotivich was preparing for another night in a frozen foxhole. About 11:30 p.m. on Dec. 15, a barrage of 30 or 40 artillery rounds rained down on the company, Swanson said. Shells exploded around their positions and one soldier yelled, "Something’s wrong with Koke," recalled Swanson, explaining how his comrades died but not talking about the newly found remains.
"Koke was dying," said Swanson, even though he didn’t have any injuries. Another soldier said Kokotivich, who was married that October, died from a heart attack, Swanson said. His corpse was carried to the aid station the next morning.
On Dec. 16, Swanson’s foxhole mate, Pfc. Jack Beckwith, returned from the aid station where medics were checking for trench foot or frostbite when an 88 mm shell fell between them.
"I got the concussion and it knocked me down," Swanson said about the shell that killed his buddy from North Dakota. "Jack got the shell fragments."
The third private was attached to the regiment as a forward observer and also died from artillery that day. On the morning of Dec. 17, Company C was ordered to withdraw and the frozen corpses of Kokotivich, Beckwith and the unknown private were hurriedly buried. Their graves were marked with their helmets atop sticks.
After the war, some marked graves were found and the GIs reburied. However, these three remained MIA and now the families and veterans are hoping to bring them home after 56 years.
"I’ve been looking for Jack’s remains since 1946, and the two others for many years," Swanson said. "I will express sadness and relief once they attach the names to the remains because this has been an excruciating search — a long marathon hopefully coming to end."
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Thomas,
Een gelijkaardig (hetzelfde ?) verhaal staat volledig in het Nederlands in een boek verschenen in 2005.Ik heb het gelezen (bibliotheek) maar de naam van het boek ontglipt mij.
De schrijver is Amerikaan,en de titel is in de zin van : langs de ardense slagvelden.
Bij mijn volgend bibbezoek zal ik eens naar de titel kijken en hem aan jou bezorgen
Groeten marie
Een gelijkaardig (hetzelfde ?) verhaal staat volledig in het Nederlands in een boek verschenen in 2005.Ik heb het gelezen (bibliotheek) maar de naam van het boek ontglipt mij.
De schrijver is Amerikaan,en de titel is in de zin van : langs de ardense slagvelden.
Bij mijn volgend bibbezoek zal ik eens naar de titel kijken en hem aan jou bezorgen
Groeten marie
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Hallo Thomas,
sorry voor het laattijdige bericht.
Ik ben vandaag naar de bib geweest en heb het boek terug in mijn bezit.
Het boek noemt: "Een tocht langs het slagveld" geschreven door :William C.C. Cavanagh.Het boek (was) is te verkrijgen in de Makro te Eke.
Bijlage III (pagina 311) noemt : "De verloren graven van 88 Hill".
Daarin wordt de volledige zoektocht en de ontdekking van de lichamen van de G.I.'s uit de doeken gedaan.
Ik hoop dat ik je verder op weg gezet heb,
mvg,
marie
sorry voor het laattijdige bericht.
Ik ben vandaag naar de bib geweest en heb het boek terug in mijn bezit.
Het boek noemt: "Een tocht langs het slagveld" geschreven door :William C.C. Cavanagh.Het boek (was) is te verkrijgen in de Makro te Eke.
Bijlage III (pagina 311) noemt : "De verloren graven van 88 Hill".
Daarin wordt de volledige zoektocht en de ontdekking van de lichamen van de G.I.'s uit de doeken gedaan.
Ik hoop dat ik je verder op weg gezet heb,
mvg,
marie
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Hurtgen wald
De vraag was: Niemand die hier enige info over heeft of die weet of er nog mensen zijn die dit werk doen???
Nou ik ben momenteel redelijk actief in het Hurtgen Wald.
Ik ben in een gebied actief waar nog ongeveer 200 soldaten moeten liggen. Ik heb al verschillende gebieden gehad maar zal je eerlijk zeggen een soldaat vindt je niet zo snel dus hun hebben echt veel geluk gehad wat we wel vinden is kogels, knopen, munten, magazijnen, landmijnonsteking, mortier stukken. Onlangs nog bijna een hele jas gevonden van een officier dat was te herkennen aan de knopen.
Ooh ja mocht je het zelf ook willen gaan doen hou er dan rekening mee dat het in Duitsland niet toegestaan is het van namelijk onder oorlogsgraf
Nou ik ben momenteel redelijk actief in het Hurtgen Wald.
Ik ben in een gebied actief waar nog ongeveer 200 soldaten moeten liggen. Ik heb al verschillende gebieden gehad maar zal je eerlijk zeggen een soldaat vindt je niet zo snel dus hun hebben echt veel geluk gehad wat we wel vinden is kogels, knopen, munten, magazijnen, landmijnonsteking, mortier stukken. Onlangs nog bijna een hele jas gevonden van een officier dat was te herkennen aan de knopen.
Ooh ja mocht je het zelf ook willen gaan doen hou er dan rekening mee dat het in Duitsland niet toegestaan is het van namelijk onder oorlogsgraf
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@Marie: Bedankt voor de info. Maar ook in dit had ik het verhaal al gelezen.
@Hurtgen Wald: Wees gerust, ik ben niet van plan om lijken te gaan zoeken.Daar hou ik me niet mee bezig. Ik vroeg me enkel af of er mensen zouden zijn die daar intensief mee bezig zijn.
Ikzelf hou me enkel bezig met de geschiedenis. Ik zal de slagvelden onderzoeken, maar zal niet beginnen graven ofzo.
@Hurtgen Wald: Wees gerust, ik ben niet van plan om lijken te gaan zoeken.Daar hou ik me niet mee bezig. Ik vroeg me enkel af of er mensen zouden zijn die daar intensief mee bezig zijn.
Ikzelf hou me enkel bezig met de geschiedenis. Ik zal de slagvelden onderzoeken, maar zal niet beginnen graven ofzo.