Was de Duitse vlag niet meer belangrijk voor Duitsland?

[Henkie]

Was de Duitse vlag niet meer belangrijk voor Duitsland in de oorlog?

[okke]

De nazi-Duitse vlag werd veelvuldig gebruikt en was het belangrijkste symbool van nazi-Duitsland.

[battle of the Bulge]

Nee wat je wel vaak ziet is de zwart wit rood vlag dit is volgens mij voor oorlog.

[PPL]

Nee wat je wel vaak ziet is de zwart wit rood vlag dit is volgens mij voor oorlog.

Het gebruik van die vlag houdt zo'n beetje op bij het einde van de republiek van Weimar.

[Zhukov]

Nee wat je wel vaak ziet is de zwart wit rood vlag dit is volgens mij voor oorlog.

Het gebruik van die vlag houdt zo'n beetje op bij het einde van de republiek van Weimar.

Ik dacht dat die vlag met het ontstaan van de Weimar Republiek juist werd afgeschaft.
Ik meen me te herinneren dat de huidige Duitse vlag, het Zwart-Rood-Goud, voor het eerst op landelijke schaal werd gebruikt door Weimar.

[Gerd]

Dat klopt, Zhukov. De vlag zwart-wit-rood was de vlag van het Duitse keizerrijk.

Omdat het Derde Rijk juist afstand wou nemen van zowat alles wat met de Weimarrepubliek te maken had, gebruikten de nazi's de vlag van zwart-rood-goud dan ook niet.

[PPL]

Nee wat je wel vaak ziet is de zwart wit rood vlag dit is volgens mij voor oorlog.

Het gebruik van die vlag houdt zo'n beetje op bij het einde van de republiek van Weimar.

Ik dacht dat die vlag met het ontstaan van de Weimar Republiek juist werd afgeschaft.

Je hebt helemaal gelijk.
Ik zit fout.
Verkeerd opgezocht in Wikipedia
Al werd volgens diezelfde Wikipedia het schwarz-weiss-rot wel als "co-official, used in foreign service" ingezet.

Ik meen me te herinneren dat de huidige Duitse vlag, het Zwart-Rood-Goud, voor het eerst op landelijke schaal werd gebruikt door Weimar.

Volgens Wikipedia (als ik het dit keer wel goed heb opgezocht) werd het schwarz-rot-gold ook al gebruikt in de periode 1848-1866.


Voor de volledigheid het artikel dat ik als bron gebruikte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Flag

[Moengoman]

Als ik mij goed herinner, is de zwart-rood-goude vlag oorspronkelijk de vlag van het Duitse parlement (na 1848 in Frankfurt gezeteld). Bismarck maakte het parlement monddood en voerde na de eenwording van 1871 het zwart-wit-rood in.

[arneken]

gehaald van wiki:

De vlag van Duitsland is een horizontale driekleur van zwart (boven), rood en goud. In zijn huidige vorm werd de vlag in 1919 aangenomen, in 1933 afgeschaft en in 1949 weer in gebruik genomen als nationale vlag van de Bondsrepubliek Duitsland. Naast de 'gewone' driekleur is er ook een versie met het wapen van Duitsland in het midden; deze doet dienst als dienstvlag en mag alleen door de overheid en het leger gebruikt worden. De marinevlag is hetzelfde als de dienstvlag, maar dan met een zwaluwstaart.

blijkbaar zit het verschil hem in de verhoudingen. iets dat ik wat minder snap mischien kunnen jullie het me uitleggen.

bron: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlag_van_Duitsland

[Lucky-Angel]

Waarom kozen ze voor die kleuren?

[arneken]

engelse uitleg:

The black and gold combination comes from the colours on the semi-official coat of arms of the Holy Roman Empire. These two colours later found their way into the flag of the Austrian Empire, created in 1804 by the last ruler of the Holy Roman Empire, Francis II. Austria's Habsburg Dynasty also used the colours and was appropriately known as the "Black and Gold monarchy."

In the radical 1840s, a black-red-gold flag was used to symbolize the movement against the conservative order, in favor of liberal republicanism. Since the Congress of Vienna in 1815, the monarchs managed to keep both Enlightenment liberalism and nationalism at bay, but this changed when harsh economic conditions struck in the 1840s. During the Springtime of the Peoples during the Revolutions of 1848, liberals took power and after prolonged deliberation, a National Assembly was finally formulated. This Frankfurt Parliament declared the black-red-gold as the official colours of Germany, with the red in the tricolour most likely a referencing the Hanseatic League and the gold and black used for its earlier references to the German people included in the "Black and Gold monarchy."

It has also been proposed that the colours red, black and gold were those of the Jena Student's League, one of the radically-minded Burschenschaften banned by Metternich in the Carlsbad Decrees. The Carlsbad Decrees set restrictions within the German Confederation, following the Congress of Vienna.

Another claim goes back to the uniforms — they were mainly black with red facings and gold buttons — of the Lützow Free Corps, comprised mostly of university students, and formed during the struggle against the occupying forces of Napoleon. It is also during the mid-nineteenth century that red became synonymous with revolution and Karl Marx's socialist vision, while the Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. Whatever the true explanation, black, red and gold were regarded as the colors of the liberal and republican movement of the Germans during this brief period, and especially after the color combination was reintroduced during the Weimar period, it become synonymous with German liberalism in general.

Ultimately, the Revolutions of 1848 failed and the monarchs returned to power. Partisan support had declined rapidly once economic conditions improved and the factory doors reopened. At the same time, conflicting views and interests prevented the liberal national experiment from taking off, and its representatives were unable to progress fast enough and secure power. The most pressing issue for the German radicals was whether or not to include Austria in this new German nation, as Austria's status as a multiethnic empire complicated the dream of a united Greater Germany — the grossdeutsch solution. Alternatively, there was the kleindeutsch solution for a Germany that did not encompass all German lands, and this avoided the multiethnic problem and perhaps just as importantly, issues of power distribution.

When a compromised German state later emerged, it would be for both of these reasons. An important step towards this kleindeutsch solution was the Austro-Prussian War in 1866. With that, the German Confederation was officially disbanded and Prussia went on to form its unofficial successor, the North German Federation, in 1867. On 25 June of that year, the coalition adopted a flag that blended the colours of its largest and smallest member Prussia (black and white) and the Hanseatic League (red and white) into a new black-white-red (schwarz-weiß-rot) horizontal tricolour. This flag would also be the national flag for the subsequent German Empire from 1892 to 1918.

Following Germany's defeat in World War I this Imperial flag fell into disuse and the new Weimar Republic officially reinstated the black-red-gold sequence on 11 August 1919. Throughout the days of the Weimar Republic there was a debate on which flag to use, causing strong controversy, with monarchists and conservatives in favor of re-adopting the black-white-red flag. In 1926 the old black-white-red flag was once more admitted to use, but only for Germany's diplomatic missions overseas.

Simultaneously, the symbols of Imperial Germany became symbols of conservative protestation and were often used by nationalists in demonstrations. This included the Reichskriegflagge, which has been revived in the present for similar use. When the Nazis came to power in 1933, the black-red-gold flag was removed and replaced with the black-white-red. However, after 15 September 1935, the Nazis replace virtually all German governmental flags with designs based featuring the swastika, the symbol on their party flag and the symbol of their movement. The new flag featured the same colours as the Imperial flag, but it was arranged as a red flag with a white disk in the centre containing a black swastika. The old black-white-red flag was then banned by the Nazis as "reactionary"; see flag of Nazi Germany.

After the defeat of Germany in World War II, Germany was occupied by the Allies. The Allied Control Council banished all German national flags which had been used over the years, and as there was no national German government, issued an order designating the international signal pennant, representing the letter C (minus a triangular cutout) as the provisional civil ensign of Germany: C stood for Capitulation. The Council stated that this C-Pennant (German: C-Doppelstander) "shall not be honoured, and shall not be dipped as a salute to war and merchant ships of whichever nation."

After some debate, the black-red-gold flag was once again adopted as the federal flag for the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) on 9 May 1949. The German Democratic Republic (East Germany) initially used the same flag, but then on 1 October 1959, it introduced a communist emblem to the centre of the flag: a hammer (symbolising workers), and a pair of compasses (symbolising intellectuals) inside ears of grain (symbolising farmers). This flag remained in place until just before the territory of the former GDR was reunified with the Federal Republic of Germany in 1990 (the GDR formally removed the emblem shortly before reunification). The flag of the GDR was banned, and any use of it considered a criminal offence, in West Germany during much of the Cold War.

[Gast]

stomme moffen

[iknowdintoo]

Op de Engelse wikipedia staat dat de zwart-wit-rood vlag in 1935 werd verboden als zijnde reactionair.

[jurgen]

Op de Engelse wikipedia staat dat de zwart-wit-rood vlag in 1935 werd verboden als zijnde reactionair.

Waarom werd die vlag dan veelvuldig aangebracht op M35 helmen?

[rutger]

stomme moffen

Wat is dit nou weer voor halfgaar bericht...
En dit soort lui moeten wij tegenwoordig serieus nemen....