Dutch Air force Firms work on Rocket Motors?

[Skymann]

I have some questions and I hope you can help me ?


Is in the Netherlands some work before 1940 or after 1945 about Rocket Engines?

About some people or Factories?
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Artillerie Inrichting Hembrug
Fokker
Koolhoven
http://www.junkers.de/flugzeuge/luftfahrtpioniere/
http://www.rotterdammers.nl/lucht/koolhovena.htm
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In the United States there work many Private people "Robert Truax"about Rockets, in Germany and in England also, and in the Netherlands?


When the Netherlands 1945 go into Germany have they found some Rocket Engine Motors?, on German Air force Bases?
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Germany.html#Dutch

[Skymann]

Have any one Info's?

[gamer0004]

Well, Hembrug was a government agency which made guns, ammunition and most other weapon-relatived things. I do not know they worked (with others) on a rocket motor, but I don't think so, seeing the fact that it wasn't exactly a weapon or something like that (they really worked on the weapons themself, like our mannlicher m.95 guns, not tanks or something).
Check these sites about Hembrug (Artillerie Inrichtingen):
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/da ... ustrie.pdf
http://www.zaans-industrieel-erfgoed.nl ... %2008.html
I'd try http://www.go2war2.nl for info about fokker.

[Skymann]

Yes that is very interesting!

The Factory "HIH Siderius"
Has many other Factories in the 20,s.
Krupp en Rheinmetall
Bofors
Solothurn
Siemens & Halske aandelen van bezat.

It is very easy to say however, the Germans don't work in this time at Weapons.

The Questions is what happens in 1933, the German Firms go back to Germany?


At that moment 1940 the Netherlands had with 140 Firms Contract's!

De laatste vermeldingswaardige bewegingen van HIH [Siderius] waren de
ontwikkelingen van pantserwagens. Er is zeker een van de twee in Nederland
aanwezige Ehrhardt pantserwagens experimenteel voorzien van een koepel met een
37 mm kanon. Tevens is er geëxperimenteerd met een Austro-Daimler ontwerp uit
1932, waarbij een pantserschort met een opgeplaatst 37 mm kanon op een 6x6
vrachtwagen chassis werd gebouwd. Bekend is dat Wilton Feyenoord in 1934 – na
de boedel van HIH Siderius te hebben overgenomen – ook een zeswielige

And have Maps about Fighter Rocket Motors?
I have reading, England want deliver Fighter Motors.

When the Netherlands want, they can become Fighter Motors and can produce that.

Very good Link!
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/da ... ustrie.pdf

[gamer0004]

No offence, but I'd say you should type in German, 'cause your English isn't so good, and most Dutch people understand German, because Dutch sounds/looks a lot like German.
About "map": a map is a, well, drawing of an area, in Dutch it means "landkaart". I guess you mean technical drawings (technische tekeningen in Nederlands, I don't exactually know what the word is in English)?
We bought our armoured-vehicle guns (pantserwagen-kanonnen) from Bofors, it was, I believe, a Swedish manufacturer.
We also had an artillery gun from Bofors, designed with Artillerie Inrichtingen: geschut "10 veld".
We had some artillery from Krupp & Rheinmetall. Or at least from Krupp. check http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/be ... p0002.html
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/be ... p0001.html
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/be ... p0003.html
Krupp & Rheinmetall was a German manufacturer anyway.
About the rest: try google and http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/be ... index.html

[Skymann]

@gamer0004

Danke !

Meine Frage geht eher in die Richtung, die Niederländer hatten laut Link von Dir, einige Deutsche Firmen von 1919 bis 1933 in den Niederlanden, und sogar von Krupp besahs die Niederlande Anteile!

1. Was passierte nach 1933 wurden die Firmen nach Deutschland verlegt?

2. Hatte die Niederlande Projekte von 1919 bis 1933 mit den Deutschen Firmen in den Niederlanden?

3. Mit den 140 Ausländischen Firmen besahs die Niederlande Partnerschaft in der Arbeiten in Projekte und Entwicklungen.

4. Wie sah dies alles bezogen auf die Flugzeugentwicklung aus?
Gab es Firmen wo die Niederlande mit zusammen Arbeitete?
In der Entwicklung oder Motor Bau?

5. Nach der Kapitulation Deutschlands 1945, bekam die Niederlande ein Größeres Gebiet zu gesprochen, gab es dort Flugzeuge die die Niederlande Studierte und mit Raketen Motoren?

Schau mal unter "Dutch Zone"

Post-World War II Dutch-occupied Germany

After World War II, the old landdrost title was re-used for two extraordinary jurisdictions within the Dutch Occupation Zone in Germany. On 22 March 1949, the Allies agreed to let the Netherlands occupy and annex some German border territories. These included the municipalities of Havert, Hillensberg, Millen, Süsterseel, Tüddern (Dutch: Tudderen), Wehr, parts of Höngen, Gangelt, Schumm, Saeffelen as well as Elten and Hoch-Elten.

The Dutch annexation effectively started on 23 April that year, with the following two jurisdictions declared:

* Landdrost of Tudderen (Tüddern in German) (directly subordinated to the Dutch government up to September 1951, then to the Governor of Dutch Limburg province): 1949 – 1963 Hubert M.J. Dassen
* two Landdrosten of Elten (subordinated to the Dutch government up to September 1951, then to the Commissioner of the Queen -i.e. Governor- for Gelderland)
o April 1949 – October 1961: Dr. Adriaan Blaauboer (b. 1906)
o October 1961 – August 1963: Baron Hans Georg Inundat van Tuyll van Serooskerken (b. 1917)

This situation lasted until 11 August 1963, when all territories except for minor frontier adjustments were returned, following German agreement to pay war compensation.

Dutch Zone
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[National flag of the Netherlands]

22 Mar 1949 Allies agree the let the Netherlands to occupy and annex some
German border territories. Annexed areas include - municipalities
of Havert, Hillensberg, Millen, Süsterseel, Tüddern (Dutch:
Tudderen), Wehr, parts of Höngen, Gangelt, Schumm, Saeffelen
as well as Elten and Hoch-Elten.
23 Apr 1949 Dutch annexation.
11 Aug 1963 Territories returned (except for minor frontier adjustments),
following German agreement to pay war compensation.

Landdrost of Tudderen (subordinated to the Dutch government to Sep 1951,
then to the Governor of Dutch Limburg)
1949 - 1963 Hubert M.J. Dassen

Landdrosten of Elten (subordinated to the Dutch government to Sep 1951,
then to the Commissioner of the Queen for Gelderland)
1949 - 19.. A. Blaauboer
1961 - 1963 Baron Hans Georg Inundat van Tuyll (b. 1917)
van Serooskerken
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Germany.html#Dutch

[gamer0004]

To be honest, I dont't know. All I found out was done by some searching. I know a bit about the Interbellum, but not very much. Especially not about our (waepon)manufacturers. However I do not think we've worked on any type of rocket-propelled airplanes. Got a book about airplanes, gonna check out if there's something about Dutch engineers working on rocket engines. I do not think so, because it was an English man who invented the rocket engine and then the Germans copied it. I do not recall anything about Dutch engineers being involved with it, but I'll check.
As I had already said, we were working on some projects with foreign companies; the "10-veld" canon has been designed by Bofors in coöperation with Artillerie Inrichtingen. Bofors was, however, an Swedish manufacturer. I do not know anything about other international projects. Try google: "Artillerie Inrichtingen", "Hembrug", "Fokker" and "Koolhoven" should work. About airplanes you could better ask Mike H., because he knows a lot more about airplanes and airplane manufacturers.

[Skymann]

@gamer0004
Thanks!

And what can you they about the Netherlands Army in Germany after 1945, they can found German Air Plains??
In his occupied German Sector?


Landdrost of Tudderen (subordinated to the Dutch government to Sep 1951,
then to the Governor of Dutch Limburg)
1949 - 1963 Hubert M.J. Dassen

Landdrosten of Elten (subordinated to the Dutch government to Sep 1951,
then to the Commissioner of the Queen for Gelderland)
1949 - 19.. A. Blaauboer
1961 - 1963 Baron Hans Georg Inundat van Tuyll (b. 1917)
van Serooskerken
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Germany.html#Dutch

[gamer0004]

First of all I'd like to know whether you mean rocket engines (the ones they use for rockets) or jet engines (the ones in airplanes)?
I guess (because you said "found German Airplanes?") you mean jet engines.
Concerning Dutch engineers working on jet engines in the Interbellum, at least Fokker didn't:
"With support from te Dutch government the F.27 Friendship was designed. The Friendship and the new F.28 Fellowship were both extremely succefull. The F.28 was the first Fokkerplane with jet engines. The F.27 was also build under licence by Fairchild in the U.S." (http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/ind ... tries.html)
Because the F.27 friendship was the first jet Fokker built, I don't think they worked on jet engines before.
I don't know we found German airplanes after World War 2, and frankly I don't know where to look for information about it. I tried google but that didn't turn up any results.

[g-1reaper]

Hallo Skymann,
i'll answer in English;
I dont know about pure jet engine projects in the Netherlands from before 1940. There was some research on alternative propellor types, with the socalled Dekker propellor showing an interesting similarity to jet engine fans. That was in the early 30's though.

There were some influential firms working on interesting projects;
DAF was working on revolutionary car traction (the Trado system)
also, a series of armoured vehicles was in production
Nedinsco produced scopes for aircraft and submarines, also rangefinders etcetera. Nedinsco was a full daughter of Zeiss.
Furthermore, NSF/Phillips were closely involved in producing the Dutch radar network (250 sets with a range of some 40 km's which would cover most vital parts of the Netherlands.

Furthermore, A.I (artillerie inrichtingen) was working on numerous license to build contracts, artillery, ack ack and machineguns.

Hope this is of help,

Freundlichen Gruss,
Edwin

[vlim]

Hi,

During the Weimar years several German companies relocated machinery to depots in the Netherlands for safe keeping. These machines, used in the production of heavy arms, otherwise had to be destroyed according to the demands of the Versailles Treaty.

A small newspaper clip from the 1930s reported that Krupp used a Dutch fake company, owned by a German living in the Netherlands to store production machinery for large arms. These machines were returned to Krupp in 1933-1934, where they were once again used to aid in the rebuilding and refitting of the German army.

The following article appeared in the New York Times on the 28th of october, 1933:

Reich Gets Arms Tools Sent to Holland in 1918

Wireless to The New York Times.
AMSTERDAM, Oct. 27. - German lathes and other machine tools used in the manufacture of cannon - which had been stored in Holland since 1918 - recently were sent back to Duesseldorf, Germany by freight steamer, it was revealed today.
Since the end of the World War the machine tools, which had been used by German war industries, had been warehoused in a small town in the Province of Groeningen, Northern Holland. They were rushed to Holland in 1918 form German plants in order to place them beyond the reach of allied control.
The machinery, some of which bore the name of Krupp, had been in the care of a German citizen all these years. The steamer left for Duesseldorf Oct. 11.

[g-1reaper]

I forgot to mention that the Aviolanda works located at Flushing (Vlissingen)
manufactured Dornier flyingboats and Curtiss aircraft during the period 1926-1940.