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Een stuk over Japanse duikboten die vliegtuigen vervoerden in de pacific. Indrukwekkend om te lezen. Stel je voor dat deze duikboten al in 1942 zouden actief geweest zijn?
Yokosuka E14Y floatplaneOn 09 September 1942, at about 6:00am Pacific War Time, a lookout on the US Oregon coast spotted a single incoming aircraft. The small, unmarked biplane plane sputtered and popped as it flew through the dawn mist. It slowly made its way over a heavily wooded area which was known to be particularly prone to forest fires, and dropped a pair of cylinders from a low altitude. Soon a column of smoke became visible from the forest as the strange plane turned around, its distinct engine noise fading back towards the ocean.
Immediately, Howard "Razz" Gardner– the lookout who had first spotted the aircraft– dove into the thick forest to battle the developing blaze. By the time the larger support crew penetrated the woods with their firefighting equipment four and a half hours later, Gardner and a fellow lookout had managed to wrestle the fire into submission. As the crew helped to mop up the last of the smoldering mess, the investigators found the remains of the offending ordnance. The fragments of the phosphorus incendiary bombs were stamped with Japanese markings.
The event came to be known as the Lookout Air Raid, and it marked the first time that the continental United States was bombed by an enemy aircraft. It was determined that the aircraft responsible was a Yokosuka E14Y floatplane, and that it had managed to reach the US coast because it had been launched from an unlikely platform: a Japanese submarine lingering just offshore.
The HMS M2 submarine launching its planeThe world's militaries had been dabbling in submersible aircraft carriers for decades, but the technology had long proven problematic. In the mid-1920s the British Royal Navy became the first to build a working prototype. An experimental single-plane hangar was fitted to the front of the conning tower on the HMS M2 submarine, providing the vessel with an airborne reconnaissance vehicle. The unarmed, lightweight biplane was crafted from wood, fabric, aluminum, and steel, and while not in use it sat nestled inside its tiny sealed cocoon with its delicate wings folded.
Once the submarine reached the surface, the plane's support crew could open the watertight vault door, extract the slumbering aircraft, unfurl its wings, and start the engine. Within minutes, a steam-powered catapult would heave the vehicle into the sky with its crew of two to scan the sea for enemy ships. When the scouting mission was complete the pilot would land the pontooned plane in the water alongside the submarine. A crane arm could then snag the aircraft and winch it back aboard, where it would once again be stuffed into its nook to await future flights.
The project showed some promise, but in 1932 the M2 mysteriously sunk with all hands lost. Though the exact circumstances were never determined, the sinking was blamed on water entering through the hangar door. Due to the design's dubious utility and inherent vulnerability, the Royal Navy decided to abandon the concept of submersible aircraft carriers.
Many other militaries continued to tinker with the contraptions, however, such as the French Surcouf submarine which was completed in 1934. It was the most massive submarine ever constructed, bristling with weapons and sporting a single-plane hangar in the style of the M2. When the French surrendered to the invading Nazis in 1940, the British Royal Navy blockaded the French ships in their ports to prevent them from falling into the hands of the German Kriegsmarine. Each was given the option to rejoin the war against Germany, or be destroyed. The SurcoufAfter a brief exchange of fire between the Surcouf and the British left several sailors dead, the French submarine relented.
The battle drove a wedge of suspicion between the submariners and their new commanders, but the giant sub worked in uneasy cooperation with the Allies in the early years of the war. Its true potential was never realized, however, due to a collision with an American freighter in 1942 which sunk the Surcouf with all hands lost. Due to the precarious nature of the French crew's allegiance, many suspected that the sinking was deliberate, though no evidence was ever found to support this theory.
Following the expensive failures of the M2 and the Surcouf, the United States and Italy abandoned their plans to construct similar vessels. But the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) managed to quietly master the art, and during the war the majority of their sub fleet included integrated aircraft hangars. Most of them– including the I-25 which launched the attack in Oregon– were single-plane hangars similar to the English and French efforts before them. But throughout the war the IJN significantly improved upon the submersible aircraft carrier concept.
Japan's first attempt to expand the platform was their AM Type submarines which carried a pair of bomber planes, but these suffered from poor underwater performance and they proved ineffective. The lessons learned from the AM Type, however, led to the development of the Sen Toku, Japan's most menacing oceangoing weapon. Translated literally as "secret submarine attack", the Sen Toku was developed for a single purpose: to launch a surprise attack against targets on the east coast of the United States. The Allies had won the war in Europe, so the bulk of the United States' military equipment was concentrated in the Pacific theater. Japanese military planners considered using their versatile new weapons to sneak up on Washington DC or New York, but they ultimately settled upon a plan to attack the the Panama Canal from the east where defenses were practically non-existent. The first two Sen Toku vessels set sail for Panama in mid-1945.
The I-400 Series and its Seiran bomberThe I-400 and I-401 were the largest submarines the world had ever seen, each of them crewed by almost 200 men. They had a range of 37,500 miles, enough to circumnavigate the globe one and a half times. Nestled inside each submarines' hangar was a set of three fast and agile dive bombers called Seiran, a Japanese word meaning "storm from a clear sky." Once the subs rounded the tip of Africa and crossed the Atlantic, their mission would be to emerge from the sea, open the giant hangar doors, and thrust their attack planes into the undefended skies of Panama. The Seiran would then bomb the locks unhindered. If successful, such an attack would spill Gatun Lake into the locks and ruin the machinery, severely crippling US shipping and supply efforts.
For months the submarine aircraft carrier crews practiced and perfected their attack strategy for the Panama run. None of the pilots were expected to survive the attack, so each was presented with a tokko short sword which symbolized the ultimate sacrifice. It was to be an utterly victorious surprise attack reminiscent of Pearl Harbor.
Shortly after getting underway, however, the Sen Toku and their attendant submarines were ordered to return in order to deflect an imminent Allied invasion of the Japanese homeland. The fleet turned back and steamed for the Allied base at Ulithi Atoll , but as they approached their target the crews received orders to catapult their planes into the sea and fire their torpedoes without arming them. Japan had surrendered in the wake of a pair of atomic attacks. The war was over. Captain Ariizumi, the commander of the submarine fleet, chose suicide over the shame of surrendering to the Americans.
In late August 1945, about two weeks after the end of hostilities, a United States Navy destroyer intercepted the unfamiliar Japanese submarines as they made for their home port. As the US sailors sidled alongside, they were astonished by the size of the behemoths. They were much more massive than any built before them, four hundred feet in length and three times larger than typical submarines. The crew of the I-400 shortly after surrenderIn addition to their empty airtight hangars, each Sen Toku had four anti-aircraft guns, eight torpedo tubes, and a sizable deck cannon. The subs were each powered by four 7,700 horsepower diesel engines, and they could operate at a depth of 330 feet. Clearly the I-400 series submarines would have been formidable weapons had they even seen action.
Once the virgin vessels reached Japan's Sasebo Bay, a team of US Navy experts immediately began to scrutinize the technology of the three working Sen Toku vessels. The technicians marveled at the huge hangars and the innovative figure-eight hull reinforcements, but their investigations were cut short when they were informed that the Soviets were sending a team to inspect the captured submarines. Rather than allowing the Soviets access to the advanced technology, the Americans instituted Operation Road's End. Two of the subs were packed with C-2 explosives and scuttled off the Japanese coast, and the others were sailed to Hawaii where further secret inspections occurred before they were also destroyed at sea.
The Japanese Sen Toku were the last of their kind. No submersible aircraft carriers have been built since, though the idea does occasionally spark the interest of modern militaries as a means to approach with stealth and attack without warning. In spite of the technical challenges involved, the concept is certainly strategically appealing. Indeed, had the I-400 vessels set off for the Panama Canal just a few months sooner, the storm they brought with them might have altered the course of the war by shattering the critical US supply route through Panama. In some ways, the Allies' victory in the Second World War was much narrower than history implies.
Yokosuka E14Y floatplaneOn 09 September 1942, at about 6:00am Pacific War Time, a lookout on the US Oregon coast spotted a single incoming aircraft. The small, unmarked biplane plane sputtered and popped as it flew through the dawn mist. It slowly made its way over a heavily wooded area which was known to be particularly prone to forest fires, and dropped a pair of cylinders from a low altitude. Soon a column of smoke became visible from the forest as the strange plane turned around, its distinct engine noise fading back towards the ocean.
Immediately, Howard "Razz" Gardner– the lookout who had first spotted the aircraft– dove into the thick forest to battle the developing blaze. By the time the larger support crew penetrated the woods with their firefighting equipment four and a half hours later, Gardner and a fellow lookout had managed to wrestle the fire into submission. As the crew helped to mop up the last of the smoldering mess, the investigators found the remains of the offending ordnance. The fragments of the phosphorus incendiary bombs were stamped with Japanese markings.
The event came to be known as the Lookout Air Raid, and it marked the first time that the continental United States was bombed by an enemy aircraft. It was determined that the aircraft responsible was a Yokosuka E14Y floatplane, and that it had managed to reach the US coast because it had been launched from an unlikely platform: a Japanese submarine lingering just offshore.
The HMS M2 submarine launching its planeThe world's militaries had been dabbling in submersible aircraft carriers for decades, but the technology had long proven problematic. In the mid-1920s the British Royal Navy became the first to build a working prototype. An experimental single-plane hangar was fitted to the front of the conning tower on the HMS M2 submarine, providing the vessel with an airborne reconnaissance vehicle. The unarmed, lightweight biplane was crafted from wood, fabric, aluminum, and steel, and while not in use it sat nestled inside its tiny sealed cocoon with its delicate wings folded.
Once the submarine reached the surface, the plane's support crew could open the watertight vault door, extract the slumbering aircraft, unfurl its wings, and start the engine. Within minutes, a steam-powered catapult would heave the vehicle into the sky with its crew of two to scan the sea for enemy ships. When the scouting mission was complete the pilot would land the pontooned plane in the water alongside the submarine. A crane arm could then snag the aircraft and winch it back aboard, where it would once again be stuffed into its nook to await future flights.
The project showed some promise, but in 1932 the M2 mysteriously sunk with all hands lost. Though the exact circumstances were never determined, the sinking was blamed on water entering through the hangar door. Due to the design's dubious utility and inherent vulnerability, the Royal Navy decided to abandon the concept of submersible aircraft carriers.
Many other militaries continued to tinker with the contraptions, however, such as the French Surcouf submarine which was completed in 1934. It was the most massive submarine ever constructed, bristling with weapons and sporting a single-plane hangar in the style of the M2. When the French surrendered to the invading Nazis in 1940, the British Royal Navy blockaded the French ships in their ports to prevent them from falling into the hands of the German Kriegsmarine. Each was given the option to rejoin the war against Germany, or be destroyed. The SurcoufAfter a brief exchange of fire between the Surcouf and the British left several sailors dead, the French submarine relented.
The battle drove a wedge of suspicion between the submariners and their new commanders, but the giant sub worked in uneasy cooperation with the Allies in the early years of the war. Its true potential was never realized, however, due to a collision with an American freighter in 1942 which sunk the Surcouf with all hands lost. Due to the precarious nature of the French crew's allegiance, many suspected that the sinking was deliberate, though no evidence was ever found to support this theory.
Following the expensive failures of the M2 and the Surcouf, the United States and Italy abandoned their plans to construct similar vessels. But the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) managed to quietly master the art, and during the war the majority of their sub fleet included integrated aircraft hangars. Most of them– including the I-25 which launched the attack in Oregon– were single-plane hangars similar to the English and French efforts before them. But throughout the war the IJN significantly improved upon the submersible aircraft carrier concept.
Japan's first attempt to expand the platform was their AM Type submarines which carried a pair of bomber planes, but these suffered from poor underwater performance and they proved ineffective. The lessons learned from the AM Type, however, led to the development of the Sen Toku, Japan's most menacing oceangoing weapon. Translated literally as "secret submarine attack", the Sen Toku was developed for a single purpose: to launch a surprise attack against targets on the east coast of the United States. The Allies had won the war in Europe, so the bulk of the United States' military equipment was concentrated in the Pacific theater. Japanese military planners considered using their versatile new weapons to sneak up on Washington DC or New York, but they ultimately settled upon a plan to attack the the Panama Canal from the east where defenses were practically non-existent. The first two Sen Toku vessels set sail for Panama in mid-1945.
The I-400 Series and its Seiran bomberThe I-400 and I-401 were the largest submarines the world had ever seen, each of them crewed by almost 200 men. They had a range of 37,500 miles, enough to circumnavigate the globe one and a half times. Nestled inside each submarines' hangar was a set of three fast and agile dive bombers called Seiran, a Japanese word meaning "storm from a clear sky." Once the subs rounded the tip of Africa and crossed the Atlantic, their mission would be to emerge from the sea, open the giant hangar doors, and thrust their attack planes into the undefended skies of Panama. The Seiran would then bomb the locks unhindered. If successful, such an attack would spill Gatun Lake into the locks and ruin the machinery, severely crippling US shipping and supply efforts.
For months the submarine aircraft carrier crews practiced and perfected their attack strategy for the Panama run. None of the pilots were expected to survive the attack, so each was presented with a tokko short sword which symbolized the ultimate sacrifice. It was to be an utterly victorious surprise attack reminiscent of Pearl Harbor.
Shortly after getting underway, however, the Sen Toku and their attendant submarines were ordered to return in order to deflect an imminent Allied invasion of the Japanese homeland. The fleet turned back and steamed for the Allied base at Ulithi Atoll , but as they approached their target the crews received orders to catapult their planes into the sea and fire their torpedoes without arming them. Japan had surrendered in the wake of a pair of atomic attacks. The war was over. Captain Ariizumi, the commander of the submarine fleet, chose suicide over the shame of surrendering to the Americans.
In late August 1945, about two weeks after the end of hostilities, a United States Navy destroyer intercepted the unfamiliar Japanese submarines as they made for their home port. As the US sailors sidled alongside, they were astonished by the size of the behemoths. They were much more massive than any built before them, four hundred feet in length and three times larger than typical submarines. The crew of the I-400 shortly after surrenderIn addition to their empty airtight hangars, each Sen Toku had four anti-aircraft guns, eight torpedo tubes, and a sizable deck cannon. The subs were each powered by four 7,700 horsepower diesel engines, and they could operate at a depth of 330 feet. Clearly the I-400 series submarines would have been formidable weapons had they even seen action.
Once the virgin vessels reached Japan's Sasebo Bay, a team of US Navy experts immediately began to scrutinize the technology of the three working Sen Toku vessels. The technicians marveled at the huge hangars and the innovative figure-eight hull reinforcements, but their investigations were cut short when they were informed that the Soviets were sending a team to inspect the captured submarines. Rather than allowing the Soviets access to the advanced technology, the Americans instituted Operation Road's End. Two of the subs were packed with C-2 explosives and scuttled off the Japanese coast, and the others were sailed to Hawaii where further secret inspections occurred before they were also destroyed at sea.
The Japanese Sen Toku were the last of their kind. No submersible aircraft carriers have been built since, though the idea does occasionally spark the interest of modern militaries as a means to approach with stealth and attack without warning. In spite of the technical challenges involved, the concept is certainly strategically appealing. Indeed, had the I-400 vessels set off for the Panama Canal just a few months sooner, the storm they brought with them might have altered the course of the war by shattering the critical US supply route through Panama. In some ways, the Allies' victory in the Second World War was much narrower than history implies.
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Deze duikboten zouden niet kunnen duiken terwijl ze vliegtuigen bezitten. Ik weet precies niet met hun technologie (die tijd toch) of het wel werkelijk kon ontworpen worden.
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Ik heb eens mijn archieven
gesnuffeld. het zou gaan om de Japanse "Type B1 submarine". Bij nader onderzoek in het Engelse Wikipedia, zou dit bootje voorzien zijn van een vliegboot of ook gekend als watervliegtuig. En natuurlijk gaat het om de Japanse Yokosuka E14Y


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B1_type_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_E14Y
In mijn gegevens zouden ze ook later voorzien werden met een tweede maar kleinere onderzeebootje. Deze U-boats zou klein maar snel zijn met een kleine magazijn aan Torpedo's. Alleen heb ik stomweg de naam niet over hebben genomen.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B1_type_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_E14Y
In mijn gegevens zouden ze ook later voorzien werden met een tweede maar kleinere onderzeebootje. Deze U-boats zou klein maar snel zijn met een kleine magazijn aan Torpedo's. Alleen heb ik stomweg de naam niet over hebben genomen.

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@sniper snoop; lees het artikel welke arneken heeft gepost nu eerst eens rustig door voordat je wat post.
Je eerste post is totaal onjuist en je tweede post geeft enkel 1 van de types aan terwijl uitgebreidere gegevens in het artikel staan.
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Je eerste post is totaal onjuist en je tweede post geeft enkel 1 van de types aan terwijl uitgebreidere gegevens in het artikel staan.
Op discovery is trouwens een heel programma gegaan over dit onderwerp.
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Re: Onderwater vliegtuigschepen.
Op de officiele Silent Hunter Fora zijn er ook een aantal topics aan toegewijdt.
De inslag van deze onderzeeboten lijkt me erg beperkt vergeleken met bijvoorbeeld een licht vliegdekschip aangezien er per schip slechts 3 of 4 toestellen vervoert konden worden.
De inslag van deze onderzeeboten lijkt me erg beperkt vergeleken met bijvoorbeeld een licht vliegdekschip aangezien er per schip slechts 3 of 4 toestellen vervoert konden worden.
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Ja dat wel maar het geeft mij toch maar de huiveringen als je weet dat men uiteindelijk van plan was om deze kleine vliegtuigjes te gebruiken voor biologische oorlogsvoering tegen de oost-kust van Amerika. Ik bedoel 1 zo'n klein vliegtuigje met een kleine chemiche bom kan al veel paniek doen veroorzaken. Het zou de zaken in de Pacific niet rechtstreeks beinvloeden maar het zou wel een zware mentale tik zijn geweest voor de Amerikanen.Mr_Flibble schreef: De inslag van deze onderzeeboten lijkt me erg beperkt vergeleken met bijvoorbeeld een licht vliegdekschip aangezien er per schip slechts 3 of 4 toestellen vervoert konden worden.
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Als er enkele van dat soort aanvallen uitgevoerd zou zijn, zou als reactie waarschijnlijk een groter gedeelte van de Anti-Submarine-Warfare vloot naar de oostkust gestuurd zijn om met deze dreiging af te rekenen. Dan hadden voor een korte tijd de U-boaten misschien wat respijt gekregen bij hun jacht in de Atlantische ocean.
Er zijn natuurlijk enkele aanvallen geweest op de oost-kust met onderzeeers (en om over de ballonbommen maar te zwijgen). Maar deze hebben nooit tot grootschalige paniek geleidt, eerder tot een nog halstarrigere houding van de Amerikanen tegen de Japanners.
Neemt natuurlijk niet weg dat het een zeer interessant staaltje techniek is wat de Japanners in die tijd geleverd hebben.
Er zijn natuurlijk enkele aanvallen geweest op de oost-kust met onderzeeers (en om over de ballonbommen maar te zwijgen). Maar deze hebben nooit tot grootschalige paniek geleidt, eerder tot een nog halstarrigere houding van de Amerikanen tegen de Japanners.
Neemt natuurlijk niet weg dat het een zeer interessant staaltje techniek is wat de Japanners in die tijd geleverd hebben.

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Ik heb het gelezen en ik heb een Japanse type gegeven.Veltro schreef:@sniper snoop; lees het artikel welke arneken heeft gepost nu eerst eens rustig door voordat je wat post.
Je eerste post is totaal onjuist en je tweede post geeft enkel 1 van de types aan terwijl uitgebreidere gegevens in het artikel staan.
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Zeker het blijft me verbazen dat de japanners dit te operationeel konden krijgen. Jammer dat ze op het einde van de oorlog verwoest zijn. Had wel graag zo 1 van dichtbij gezien.Mr_Flibble schreef:Als er enkele van dat soort aanvallen uitgevoerd zou zijn, zou als reactie waarschijnlijk een groter gedeelte van de Anti-Submarine-Warfare vloot naar de oostkust gestuurd zijn om met deze dreiging af te rekenen. Dan hadden voor een korte tijd de U-boaten misschien wat respijt gekregen bij hun jacht in de Atlantische ocean.
Er zijn natuurlijk enkele aanvallen geweest op de oost-kust met onderzeeers (en om over de ballonbommen maar te zwijgen). Maar deze hebben nooit tot grootschalige paniek geleidt, eerder tot een nog halstarrigere houding van de Amerikanen tegen de Japanners.
Neemt natuurlijk niet weg dat het een zeer interessant staaltje techniek is wat de Japanners in die tijd geleverd hebben.
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Als Veltro hier geen problemen heeft als ik nog filmpjes plaats die hier wel bij hoort.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=12u-ppn_Q3M
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=KdytwjZXt_Q

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Wat is de bron van het hele verhaal ? Is het ergens op het internet terug te lezen of is het overgetypt uit een boek ?
Hoeveel van die I-400 series duikboten zijn er nu gemaakt ? Er staat dat er 3 zijn gebouwd maar verder in de tekst staat dat de Amerikanen er 2 hebben opgeblazen en de overigen (= meervoud) naar Hawaii hebben gevaren. Waar zijn de foto's van deze duikboten ?
Het is een mooi verhaal maar zonder duidelijke bronvermelding en/of foto's blijven er vragen bij mij over het daadwerkelijke bestaan van deze type onderzeeërs.
Hoeveel van die I-400 series duikboten zijn er nu gemaakt ? Er staat dat er 3 zijn gebouwd maar verder in de tekst staat dat de Amerikanen er 2 hebben opgeblazen en de overigen (= meervoud) naar Hawaii hebben gevaren. Waar zijn de foto's van deze duikboten ?
Het is een mooi verhaal maar zonder duidelijke bronvermelding en/of foto's blijven er vragen bij mij over het daadwerkelijke bestaan van deze type onderzeeërs.
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Lange tijd afwezig geweest maar bij zo'n vragen wil ik nog altijd helpen. De bron is mij spijtig ontgaan maar ik dacht dit te hebben gelezen op een internationaal forum. Ik dacht dat het ging om 5 onderzeeboten. zoals ook deze site mij hierin gelijk geeftCharly1975 schreef:Wat is de bron van het hele verhaal ? Is het ergens op het internet terug te lezen of is het overgetypt uit een boek ?
Hoeveel van die I-400 series duikboten zijn er nu gemaakt ? Er staat dat er 3 zijn gebouwd maar verder in de tekst staat dat de Amerikanen er 2 hebben opgeblazen en de overigen (= meervoud) naar Hawaii hebben gevaren. Waar zijn de foto's van deze duikboten ?
Het is een mooi verhaal maar zonder duidelijke bronvermelding en/of foto's blijven er vragen bij mij over het daadwerkelijke bestaan van deze type onderzeeërs.
http://www.ww2pacific.com/i-400.html
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Bedankt !arneken schreef: Lange tijd afwezig geweest maar bij zo'n vragen wil ik nog altijd helpen. De bron is mij spijtig ontgaan maar ik dacht dit te hebben gelezen op een internationaal forum. Ik dacht dat het ging om 5 onderzeeboten. zoals ook deze site mij hierin gelijk geeft
http://www.ww2pacific.com/i-400.html
Five were built, three launched, none served the original purpose.
Met betrekking tot het aantal was de tekst in de oorspronkelijke topic start wat onduidelijk. Met deze site is het een stuk duidelijker.
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms
(Mark Knopfler/Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms)
On our brothers in arms
(Mark Knopfler/Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms)
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Re: Onderwater vliegtuigschepen.
Wat geduld, wat zoeken en opeens vindt men de oorspronkelijke bron toch terug.
http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/21913- ... riers.html
http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/21913- ... riers.html
it's not how many you write but what you write in the books of history